Ray Lum is probably not a familiar name to most listeners. Ray was a legendary horse and mule trader, someone Bill knew while growing up in Mississippi. He was a larger-than-life figure--not only could he size up the health and worth of an animal in a few seconds, he could hold his listeners spellbound with all of his stories. Stories about nearly being killed in a Wild West shootout in the 1920s ... or the story about a time when a man offered to sell Ray 80,000 horses in LaPlante, South Dakota.

Nearly 40 years ago the president was Richard Nixon, the war was Vietnam, and the major voice of dissent was that of Senator George McGovern.  

Senator McGovern joins Dick Gordon today to talk about how the political past mirrors the political present.

In 1975 Julia Taft worked in Gerald Ford's White House. She was only 32 years old when she was put in charge of a mission to bring over 130,000 Vietnamese refugees to America in a matter of months.  

It was very exciting, the discussions about who should we evacuate, how do we get our people out, how do we take care of classified documents, what planes are in the region, who could go and pick up people …
- Julia Taft

Anita Isaacs was born in Namibia in 1959, a time when the apartheid system of South Africa was in place. Anita joined the armed struggle for Namibian independence, while still in her teens, and she was in exile for 13 years. Also in this episode, Berta Scott's 180,000 pounds of fruitcake.