Shen Tong was in Tiananmen Square the night of the massacre there 18 years ago. He later came to the U.S. where he continued to be politically active in support of a democratized China. But Shen eventually gave up activism for capitalism. He decided he could have a greater influence as an individual by bringing technology to Chinese society. Dick also talks with Jaykumar Menon, a lawyer in New York. In 2000, Jaykumar was part of a legal team that sued Li Peng, the former Chinese prime minister, for human rights abuses committed at Tiananmen Square.