Dick talks with Stuart Spencer, who was integral to the campaigns of both Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan. He watched from the sidelines during their debate victories and losses. Also: How "Doop" Duprie is making and selling pie out of a dive bar in Detroit.
"Lookout for Hope' by Jerry Douglas; "Strictly Confidential" by Bud Powell; "It Never Changes to Stop" by The Books; "What am I Supposed to Do?", "Blood River" and "Salt of the Earth" by Doop and the Inside Outlaws.
Dick spoke with Senator McGovern in 2007, and heard him read from his famous 1970 speech to the U.S. Congress condemning the Vietnam War. McGovern died Sunday, and we remember his clarity and eloquence.